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[Slojoeguam]

One that I have always gravitated to that I haven't seen mentioned yet, Innisbrook Copperhead.

[IanK]

Wentworth old and the new Ernie Els version.

[Armand]

Wentworth old and the new Ernie Els version.

 

Westhaven North is a re-creation of Els' version of Wentworth.  I don't know if the old version is in the works by anyone, though.

[DoGgs]

coeur D' alene would be a nice addition, a few sig holes that would look good in CF

[johnmeyer]

I think Hobson House has taken inspiration from a few of the signature holes of Coeur D'alene

[Flyon]

I think Hobson House has taken inspiration from a few of the signature holes of Coeur D'Alene

 

This is a weak attempt at a deflection, imo...

 

I really don't think there's any inspiration from Coeur d' Alene anywhere in Hobson House. It's nowhere close to even resembling Coeur.

You might see a slight glimpse of something you might have thought you remembered from playing Coeur on TW08, but HH isn't even near what Coeur is in TW08.

If you are referring to the obvious island green, Sawgrass has a closer resemblance to the floating 14th green than HH.

Where's the tall pines? This area of Idaho was prime logging territory, and Coeur was built on the site of an old logging mill -that's why the Coeur version in TW08 had all those real tall pines. Not in HH. Where's the elevation changes and elevated tees? Where's the world's biggest sandtrap? Nowhere close to being seen in HH.

 

Minus the missing OB markers, HH is still an decent course, but we need the real Coeur already.

 

I am not holding my breath, since many of the current designers here in JNPG were APCD users. I still have hope that some more of the TW course designers would come on board here, but I feel they would be slighted by the APCD designers and their attitudes en masse  here, so I think they are staying away, for the most part.

I see a scant hint of TW designers, but not many, not like vs. the APCD crowd...

None of them APCD course designer users even attempted to make anything close to Coeur D'Alene for Links, but they'll make 20 different versions of the same old same old course.

And that's a very big reason what made Links2003 so lame@ss boring. Quite frankly, I see the same thing happening here at JNPG now, the only difference being the graphics are much better.

[bortimus]

The course isn't meant to be similar to Couer d'Alene.  It's not supposed to reflect the surroundings of Idaho at all.  It was more of a training ground for a few techniques I was trying to learn.

 

Hole 12 is a blatant copy of the 13th at Couer just because I liked the layout of that hole.

 

As for courses some courses not being built... If someone really wants to build them, there's no one stopping them.  I think it would be an interesting project, but I wasn't looking to build a recreation for my first course. 

[Dazmaniac]

Nice post Flyon.

 

Rip into designers of Links 2003 because they never made Couer d'Alene for the game, seemingly criticise what they did release as being same old, same old and then claim they are keeping TW designers from making courses in JNPG. Deluded much? 

 

Unity and CF are both free. Why don't you get cracking and bring Couer d'Alene to JNPG yourself? 

[johnmeyer]

This is a weak attempt at a deflection, imo...

 

I really don't think there's any inspiration from Coeur d' Alene anywhere in Hobson House. It's nowhere close to even resembling Coeur.

Arent you a jolly chap.

 

So other than the fact that the designer has now stated that there is inspiration taken from Coeur, (as I said) I dont exactly see where my deflection was, or why you think Id want to deflect.

 

As for this whole TW vs ACPD designer nonsense, Ive never heard such a load of rubbish. And in the unlikely event that it is true, surely if these "ACPD" guys can only create stuff that is not up to the TW level, it doesnt say much about these super "TW" guys that theyre so intimidated that they cant come here and show them how its done.

 

As I say, I am from neither "school" and didnt even realise such a rivalry would even exist, but based on what Ive seen so far, to say people are just releasing the same old same old is a bit disrespectful.

 

I hope some of your TW design pals read this and come to the table and show us all how its done, as the more superb courses, such as Couer d'Alene, the better, irrespective from which historic, non important design clique you come from.

[DoGgs]

Whatever, i enjoyed Hobson house with the new build...a keeper for me anyway. I created a approximate version of coeur in GNCD about 2 years ago, one of my first ever courses...although the 14th did not really float 

[DoGgs]

BTW someone ask for scottsdale, i can oblige with that one in the coming weeks..plenty of scupting to do, more than i would have liked, but i'm committed now. 

[johnmeyer]

Very much looking forward to this one DoGgz

[Flyon]

The course isn't meant to be similar to Couer d'Alene.  It's not supposed to reflect the surroundings of Idaho at all.  It was more of a training ground for a few techniques I was trying to learn.

 

Hole 12 is a blatant copy of the 13th at Couer just because I liked the layout of that hole.

 

As for courses some courses not being built... If someone really wants to build them, there's no one stopping them.  I think it would be an interesting project, but I wasn't looking to build a recreation for my first course. 

 

By all means my post wasn't a personal attack against you. In fact, I commend you for at least duplicating the 13th. At least you tried, and yes, it is indeed the first replication I have seen on any pc golf platform outside of Links or TW.
I do say "duplicating" because I went and played the 13th again in JNPG (and on PlayStation, and TW08), and yes, you did capture the 13th almost to perfection.
You have done something no one else has done in god-knows-how-many-years: attempted to even create ONE hole, let alone the other 17, outside of TW08.

 

Sidetrack:

@dogz: no disrespect intended on your creation, but I won't consider TGC. My apologies. Another topic, another time.

 

Thanks for doing Scottsdale. Many here might agree it would be nice to have this course in JNPG. Thank you for your commitment.

 

 

Back on point to Bortimus:

I guess my point was that if you are gonna do one hole, why not include some other obvious references to Coeur, that haven't been (nor can be created for whatever reason in the APCD)?

 

But you know what? You attempted it. That's more than I can say.

 

I understand why you did what you did with HH, but the layout of C 'd A -even without the 14th, or some of the other gimcracks that the irl Coeur's designers had in mind- is what makes the course so unique -like the previously mentioned elevation changes, for example.

 

I stand corrected, and please accept my apologies for such a blatant oversight on my part.

I'd like to see you do that whole course in it's entirety. Please ignore my comments about the OB on HH, because at Coeur the OB's are all too obvious.

It's very obvious you know that course like the back of your hand, and much better than me -AND more so than the hacks here who now call me delusional.

You did HH good enough that you could do all of Coeur, and no one would playing it in JNPG would question it. I say go for it.

 

 

I'm leaving the other replies here today out for now, like the glaring comparison about the TW08 crowd (and that must include Tiger Woods Online also) vs. the Links crowd.

Yes, there are major riffs there, except no one comes to the forefront to say anything about it. I do, and now I get called things like delusional.

Then I have the nerve to lump in APCD course dev guys, calling them out for never attempting one hole, let alone 18?...whatever...I'm not apologizing for that whatsoever. It is what it is.

This guy now in JNPG did more in a much less fraction of the time , good for him -more than you APCD guys have in 14 years- on his first creation.

But I'm the delusional one...again, whatever...keep up that great work with your APCD cookie cutter courses...

[garynorman]

How about everyone who posts a course request has to have first crack at making it?

 

Now that CF is out it should be pretty easy, right?

[gravedodger]

How about everyone who posts a course request has to have first crack at making it?

 

Now that CF is out it should be pretty easy, right?

LOL ... you tease Gary ... I reckon if I was to try and create one it would be akin to using crayons for a technical drawing hehe!

[Greensboronclion]

I just wish people who criticize the designers of these courses would be a little more thankful that we have people that can design and are willing to do it and to share it with the community.  There is no rule that they have to release a course as they could just make them and keep them for themselves and not share.  Really tired of all the negative posts and just wish those that do would just say thanks once in awhile.

[Dazmaniac]

I just don't understand why the big deal that Cd'A was never done in Links. I'm sure it's not the only real course to not have been recreated in that game.

Obviously with Flyon it has struck a nerve and made him totally anti APCD designer going by his earlier post and how much loathing he appears to have for them.

[Charles]

All the great links courses in Scotland. They have so many. The more in JNPG the merrier!

[bortimus]

 

 

I'm leaving the other replies here today out for now, like the glaring comparison about the TW08 crowd (and that must include Tiger Woods Online also) vs. the Links crowd.

Yes, there are major riffs there, except no one comes to the forefront to say anything about it. I do, and now I get called things like delusional.

Then I have the nerve to lump in APCD course dev guys, calling them out for never attempting one hole, let alone 18?...whatever...I'm not apologizing for that whatsoever. It is what it is.

This guy now in JNPG did more in a much less fraction of the time , good for him -more than you APCD guys have in 14 years- on his first creation.

But I'm the delusional one...again, whatever...keep up that great work with your APCD cookie cutter courses...

 

One hole doesn't validate me as a designer.  I'm one of the least accomplished people here.  Learning from these guys through the forums and PMs is the main reason I am still trying my hand at this.  

Sorry I just couldn't let that comment go.

 

As for courses I'd like to play... 

Tobacco Road    

Cape Kidnappers

 

Would love to see how these could look in JNPG. 

[Greensboronclion]

Would love to see Ballybunion in Ireland as Tom Watson and Jack always played it before the Open every year.  Watson said it was the hardest golf course in the world under the right conditions and loved the place.