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[ProFirefighter]

It appears the "Perfect Golf Pass" button is functional on the social site, in that you can click it and pay $4.99/month.

But at this point in the game's development, what exactly is available for that $4.99? Or should we wait a bit longer before signing up?

[ProFirefighter]

Many arguments. One thing that fans of this game have to fear: This will remain a very small community in the future. It´s a pity!

People like to pay directly for what they want, not a monthly financial contribution.

Don't be afraid, as you can even go on a "what's your favorite color" forum and see arguments. That's been the state of the net for quite some time now.

The size of any given community forum is dictated by the popularity of that forum's topic. PG is a very promising game, have no worries then. The community will grow.

[Crow357]

Many arguments. One thing that fans of this game have to fear: This will remain a very small community in the future. It´s a pity!
People like to pay directly for what they want, not a monthly financial contribution.

Tell that to the millions that play WOW, Eve, Elder Scrills, etc.

[Mike Jones]

It appears the "Perfect Golf Pass" button is functional on the social site, in that you can click it and pay $4.99/month.

But at this point in the game's development, what exactly is available for that $4.99? Or should we wait a bit longer before signing up?

It's not available at the moment, you can't purchase anything from the PG social site.

[Tigers Agent]

I have no problem paying $4.99 per month. I would like to know though what I would get for that fee. will it be the same amount of content every month?  Is it just a fee to play every month? will there be other fees for extras?  If I don't pay the $$$ per month will I still get updates for the base game?  Will I still be able to play the base game if I don't pay the $$$ per month?

[IanD]

Frank70.... the Pay example you use, has been suggested in so many ways when it was made known to us before being made public here. As K11 stated earlier, there was the same outbursts in our discussion as we are seeing here. We circled the same issues and began the other discussions of paying for various parts that were likely to be available, such as Golfer Add-Ons, Courses, Tournaments etc... it become more problematic and less ideal.

 

The easiest and simplest option is the $4.99 a month. You get everything.

If you decide to not pay after doing so for several months, you can't access Tournaments and play those user designed courses. Simple.  Pay next month when more user courses release, and game on again... all you miss is the time you didn't pay for.

 

I can certainly understand the concerns many have raised, I had them too. Quite a few of us were very vocal about this, and Mike was very patient with us in explaining the issues. There are naturally issues in designing things this way, as well as controlling them. What we must remember, is the files we create using the CF, are not ours. Therefore there is an ownership control by PP which can aid in revenue. Ultimately, there has to be a business model and he who controls the spice, controls the world. Therefore, the more courses created, the better the business model appears, as ultimately, the courses make the game appear even better value. Hopefully that explains why this is likely to be a good deal at $4.99 for us....! If courses were $0.99, we would likely be far more out of pocket....

 

Bottom line is, it's a marketing strategy that could fail. However, the platform could succeed and with our help too, we could have a Community base that could achieve some serious results with the CF and have a game that evovles into something everyone has requested.

[IanD]

So, just to be sure I'm fully understanding this, I will not be able to play test my unfinished course creations in CF unless I have a season pass?


-MERACE

 

Just an example in answering this.... the answer is NO. You cannot play-test your course without a Season Pass.

In the small group of testers discussions, we felt this was one of the main issues, if not the ONLY issue. Therefore the best suggestion we could put forward to the direction PP was heading, was to introduce some form of free limited season pass upon purchase. For example, buy the game and gain 1-3 mnths free season pass or provide purchase option discounts offering said choices.

 

Unfortunately, no final answer has been made, so we all await the final pricing option.

[RobV]

Tell that to the millions that play WOW, Eve, Elder Scrills, etc.

Uh, those are not golf games... that is not an apples to apples comparison.. 

[ProFirefighter]

It's not available at the moment, you can't purchase anything from the PG social site.

Ok, thank you.

[ProFirefighter]

Uh, those are not golf games... that is not an apples to apples comparison.. 

Doesn't make any difference. It's a game, that's apples to apples.

[RobV]

Doesn't make any difference. It's a game, that's apples to apples.

Absolutely not apples to apples and for the record, I am agreeing with you with your original statement regarding he future of the community.  You cannot compare the number of people playing a very popular online RPG to a golf game that has an online/offline capabilities..  Even TW in its hey day wouldn't come close.    

[frank70]

Frank70.... the Pay example you use, has been suggested in so many ways when it was made known to us before being made public here. As K11 stated earlier, there was the same outbursts in our discussion as we are seeing here. We circled the same issues and began the other discussions of paying for various parts that were likely to be available, such as Golfer Add-Ons, Courses, Tournaments etc... it become more problematic and less ideal.

 

The easiest and simplest option is the $4.99 a month. You get everything.

If you decide to not pay after doing so for several months, you can't access Tournaments and play those user designed courses. Simple.  Pay next month when more user courses release, and game on again... all you miss is the time you didn't pay for.

 

I can certainly understand the concerns many have raised, I had them too. Quite a few of us were very vocal about this, and Mike was very patient with us in explaining the issues. There are naturally issues in designing things this way, as well as controlling them. What we must remember, is the files we create using the CF, are not ours. Therefore there is an ownership control by PP which can aid in revenue. Ultimately, there has to be a business model and he who controls the spice, controls the world. Therefore, the more courses created, the better the business model appears, as ultimately, the courses make the game appear even better value. Hopefully that explains why this is likely to be a good deal at $4.99 for us....! If courses were $0.99, we would likely be far more out of pocket....

 

Bottom line is, it's a marketing strategy that could fail. However, the platform could succeed and with our help too, we could have a Community base that could achieve some serious results with the CF and have a game that evovles into something everyone has requested.

I don't question that 4,99 is a good deal for us .... we are hardcore fans of the game. WE have a great deal out of it.

 

The easiest and most simple solution isn't always the best. Some guys are acting like PG is the best thing since sliced bread and that it is just a matter of time that thousands and thousands of people are realizing that as well. Guess what: This view is biased. There are other golf games out there. And i'm not that sure that PG is identified as the best game by far by the public or by gaming sites. Concentrating on DX9 to take guys with 8 year old machines with the game which results in graphics that look a bit dated (no problem for me, but...), no career mode so far, in my view the lack of real atmoshere when playing (sound is barebone, visuals are basic). This all doesn't matter to me because i love the gameplay. But this may not be the case for others.

 

You have to give all possible customers a good deal ... not only us, the "fanboys". And i question that at least 19.99 $ upfront plus 60 $ per year to get even access to all courses appears like a very good deal to all the potential customers. Is PG in a position to simply pass on that guys? I don't think so. They have to fight for every virtual golf player out there. And the pricing model should reflect that. Membership/season pass can easily be identified as sort of an elite and closed door thing. I wouldn't even take the chance to rub potential customers off.

 

Maybe the pay-per-course isn't that easy because of legal constraints. Than they have an argument. Otherwise this "club" approach is a huge mistake imho.

 

And for the record: It's not about me. 60 bucks a year is absolutely okay with me.

[IanD]

Frank70... you are still assuming the $19.99 will remain. No-one knows this.... and yes, it's likely a decent price for the EA without the inclusion of the things yet to arrive (Career etc).

[frank70]

I know that the release price will probably be higher. So now add 60 bucks to get full access to all elements of the game (even user made courses). Still a deal you cannot resist as a potential customer ....?

[yesrushdt]

 

sirputterman, on 03 Dec 2015 - 10:41 PM, said:

Look I understand that it takes money to keep things improving but would it have to be such a high figure in order to sustain  the game? If it is then as much as I hope the game continues to grow and succeed I just don't think it's realistic to hope or expect that kind of money from most people .

 

Agreed.  I think this is just going to turn off the majority of the potential customers out there.  They'll do the math and pass on the game entirely.

 

Why not do something similar to what EA Sports did to keep online play for Tiger Woods PC free?  I think they put ESPN radio in the online lobby instead of charging a montly fee for online play.  I wouldn't mind if Perfect Parallel did something like that or used ads to cover costs.  The ads could just be on the home, settings, match set up and loading screens and nowhere in the actual gameplay.

[Crow357]

Uh, those are not golf games... that is not an apples to apples comparison.. 

I would respectfully disagree with you.  This is every bit a social game as much as those are social games.

[IanD]

I know that the release price will probably be higher. So now add 60 bucks to get full access to all elements of the game (even user made courses). Still a deal you cannot resist as a potential customer ....?

 

Only if you wish to play  the game on the fringe...

(sorry I should elaborate on that comment ie play the game with no involvement with anyone else)

 

I'm not saying it's a good deal or a bad deal. However, I do know the guys will be offering encouragement to become involved in the Community and possibly earn freebies. Whether this makes the game more marketable, I have no idea. However, having a good product and a good userbase, makes it more attractive.

 

I suppose you could also suggest that if you did pay the $60 a year, you are likely heavily involved. It does allow flexability for those who may not be able to play alot during those summer months. We can easily keep our own game and play the odd local round on courses we own with the game. We can keep up to date discussions etc and where we find our online time dips, return when able and then regain access to all existing courses and any new additions too.

[Harald]

Crazy Discussion about nothing what should be in our Opinion. Fact is that Perfect Paralell is the Company and Developer and we all have to accept their Pay Model(s). We may love or hate it that's our only Position nothing more. We all have not the Rights to give them "so many intelligent Advices" that's only in PP Decison making not in ours Gentlemen!!

You love it then buy and play, you hate it go and have a look for other Games - but please stop this childish discussion and old matured advice giving that suc.s

[jimst57]

Things that I think might be worth paying monthly fees for:

To play in tournaments

To host tournaments

To join country clubs

To publish your user designed courses

Access custom equipment and clothes

But to charge a monthly fee to play user designed courses, and worst of all to PLAY TEST YOUR OWN COURSE DESIGN, is ridiculous.

When I started my latest online golf adventure, I went looking to see what was out there. I quickly found Perfect Golf and The Golf Club. After a little research into both I decided on Perfect Golf. But in my lack of patience for a course designer to play with, I bought The Golf Club. I have come to love it. The friendly announcer, the online tournament and tour community, the course designer, and the hundreds of courses available. I play in an online tour every week.

The point of all this is that there IS competition out there, and I think that charging a monthly fee to even be able to play test a user course is going to lose customers to it.

[IanD]

Whilst I'll not deny the competition exists regarding other golf games... most of those comparing them, seem to own both. Is that no longer competitive...?

 

When PP decide to introduce a Season Pass, the competitive side certainly begins. Do you decide to pay for the Season Pass...?

 

Well, for those who own both games... you have a better insight than those who only own one product, certainly. However, you have not yet tried the CF and seen what it is capable of.... only examples of PP's and K11's courses. That doesn't mean any disrespect to either of them, it simply means you have not tried anything yourself to make a fair judgement call. You have not seen the full game yet either, so we're in an area that is again, speculation and initial reaction. It would be difficult to base alot on those things.