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#361 Vernon520

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Posted 11 December 2015 - 07:19 PM

A lot of has been said in regards to supporting the game financially and on that I agree but every one needs to stop and think just how much revenue all this controversy is likely to bring in.

Let's say your subscription fee is $5 a month. Not a lot to pay I grant. Then let's ask 'How many people will be willing to pay that price'.

How about 1,000 players. Now let me see 1,000 x $5 = $ 5,000 a month.

That seems a paltry amount for all the hassle this is causing, of course the number of fee payers could be less, which will reduce the sum further and I think the number of potential lost customers should also be taken into account as well. 

In gaming development terms $5,000 a month, is absolute peanuts.

There has to be a better way.



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Posted 11 December 2015 - 08:49 PM

Vernon, I stand to be corrected but Mike / Andrew have provided figures in previous threads regarding the number of players measured online over various time metrics; and the number of people who have bought the game, and or log in regularly far exceed 1000. I think a lot of people log in and incorrectly extrapolate the number of people in the lobby with the total number of active or inactive players of the game. 

 

If PG only get's 1000 paying customers it would likely be a failure .... the current EA numbers already suggest that this probably wont be the case. I know many of you guys have spent alot your digital lives playing golf sims (and make no mistake I also love virtual golf), but I don't think that the game would be viable with so few customers.

 

Let's hope that PG attracts substantially more!


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Posted 11 December 2015 - 09:02 PM

There is a potential to increase the user base by a thousand people a month. Charge new buyers $99.99 if you like. Put money back into development and marketing. The user base increases by two thousand a month. Have professional tournaments with prizemoney and video streaming. Put money into development and marketing. Have a steady uptake from the population base of 5 billion people. Drop retail price to $59.99. Attract more new users. Put money into development and marketing. Dominate the world. 

 

Or charge $5 a month and alienate your tiny base.

 

Hey, the retail cost covers CF. It's not free. It has been paid for.

 

Get 'em in first before getting 'em all disgruntled with additional costs. Charge for great new courses by all means. $1.99. Half to the designer. Remember that huge user base? Everyone's happy.


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Posted 11 December 2015 - 09:10 PM

Vernon, I stand to be corrected but Mike / Andrew have provided figures in previous threads regarding the number of players measured online over various time metrics; and the number of people who have bought the game, and or log in regularly far exceed 1000. I think a lot of people log in and incorrectly extrapolate the number of people in the lobby with the total number of active or inactive players of the game. 

 

If PG only get's 1000 paying customers it would likely be a failure .... the current EA numbers already suggest that this probably wont be the case. I know many of you guys have spent alot your digital lives playing golf sims (and make no mistake I also love virtual golf), but I don't think that the game would be viable with so few customers.

 

Let's hope that PG attracts substantially more!

The game has sold approx. 12,000 units but that number does not reflect the number of those who play online golf. Also that number does not reflect those who wouldn't pay a monthly fee on principle.

There is a site somewhere on Steam that shows how many people play PG online at any given time. Although, there will be a constant flow of different players, at this point in time you seldom ever see a number close to the 100 mark, on any given day.

I can only judge my calculation by figures that I have at my disposal, and those figures suggest to me that 1,000 people paying for online access  via a fee would be generous. 

I may be wrong but I can only say it as I see it.



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Posted 11 December 2015 - 09:26 PM

IF YOU BUILD IT ...THEY WILL COME



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Posted 11 December 2015 - 10:12 PM

I completely understand the need to make money to fund the game. I mean no disrespect to the Perfect Parallel team, but I don't think any golf game has ever had enough content to warrant a subscription fee. In my opinion, the season pass may work short-term, but I'm concerned about its overall long-term value.

 

The PC market is tough, as there simply are not as many PC gamers as there used to be. I also noticed that, with "that other golf game", nearly all of my long-time golfing buddies are playing it on console, and absolutely none are playing the PC version that I've noticed.


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Posted 11 December 2015 - 11:07 PM

lmao..........just could not help myself......

 

https://youtu.be/SdhAfMor9BM

 

Cheers.. :D


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Posted 11 December 2015 - 11:33 PM

Steady on Flyon, you can disagree with someone but telling them to STFU is definitely not on. No problem with people disagreeing with what PG does or other people's opinions but name calling rarely results in an interesting discussion. 

 

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Posted 11 December 2015 - 11:57 PM

So buying a new Rory every year won't cost you $4.99 per month, but will be $60 for the new game each year.

$60 / 12 months = $5 per month.

Damn, you were right.

 

You might want to do more homework. Don't bother, as you were only being a/retentive here at my expense as to put me down with a smart alec comment.

Typical for you I might add, and it was also right in line with your usual posting habits.

 

If you would have done a little background checking instead of exposing my terrible mathematic skills, you would know that those who pre-ordered Rory got a ten dollar discount. So it's not $59.95 USD, it cost $49.95 USD plus, sales tax excluded.

If you belong to EA's early notification program, you get a heads-up on when a new release is coming. Usually that notifiction will come with a pre-order discount. But I sense you knew this already.

 

You want to be a/retentive? I can be too. You are a big player in the pc golf comunity, and because of that fact everyone is afraid to say anything to the almighty all-holy Daz.. I for one, am not afraid of you, or anyone in your clique.

 

You start this now, but I am the one who gets told not to post bad things about people in my posts? Whatever.

 

I don't need you, your smart-alec commentary, or this game for that matter anymore. We are done here.


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 12:50 AM

You might want to do more homework. Don't bother, as you were only being a/retentive here at my expense as to put me down with a smart alec comment.

Typical for you I might add, and it was also right in line with your usual posting habits.

 

If you would have done a little background checking instead of exposing my terrible mathematic skills, you would know that those who pre-ordered Rory got a ten dollar discount. So it's not $59.95 USD, it cost $49.95 USD plus, sales tax excluded.

If you belong to EA's early notification program, you get a heads-up on when a new release is coming. Usually that notifiction will come with a pre-order discount. But I sense you knew this already.

 

You want to be a/retentive? I can be too. You are a big player in the pc golf comunity, and because of that fact everyone is afraid to say anything to the almighty all-holy Daz.. I for one, am not afraid of you, or anyone in your clique.

 

You start this now, but I am the one who gets told not to post bad things about people in my posts? Whatever.

 

I don't need you, your smart-alec commentary, or this game for that matter anymore. We are done here.

 

Whoa, just tell us how you really feel about Daz. Oh, excuse me you already have and I for one will not miss you if you really do leave the game. You have, however, been an interesting personality as long as you have been around.


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 02:48 AM

You might want to do more homework. Don't bother, as you were only being a/retentive here at my expense as to put me down with a smart alec comment.
Typical for you I might add, and it was also right in line with your usual posting habits.
 
If you would have done a little background checking instead of exposing my terrible mathematic skills, you would know that those who pre-ordered Rory got a ten dollar discount. So it's not $59.95 USD, it cost $49.95 USD plus, sales tax excluded.
If you belong to EA's early notification program, you get a heads-up on when a new release is coming. Usually that notifiction will come with a pre-order discount. But I sense you knew this already.
 
You want to be a/retentive? I can be too. You are a big player in the pc golf comunity, and because of that fact everyone is afraid to say anything to the almighty all-holy Daz.. I for one, am not afraid of you, or anyone in your clique.
 
You start this now, but I am the one who gets told not to post bad things about people in my posts? Whatever.
 

I don't need you, your smart-alec commentary, or this game for that matter anymore. We are done here.



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#372 worrybirdie

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 06:00 AM

Can we STOP criticizing people for how few posts they have. Saying that they have no right (or at least as not as much of a right) to air their opinions based on the number of posts they have is wrong. Sure you can say, "He hasn't been around long"...to yourself! There are lots of things you can say to yourself that don't belong in a public forum. But going around disparaging people because they don't have as many posts as you would like is uncivil. This isn't the first time I've seen it (if you like I can come up with a rogue's gallery of such tactics on the forum). Not to mention that the success of this game won't come from us "old hands" but from "newbies". And "fresh eyes are sometimes the keenest".

Besides...it's supposed to be an open forum for ideas. Every time someone engages in an attack on someone else's opinion (and not an "I disagree, and this is why"), let alone an attack on the poster, it makes me think this forum is turning into the same kind of crapfest that so many forums I have been on eventually became. Which is a shame, because I thought this forum was different.


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 12:33 PM

Everyone's a newbie at some time. Newbies can't always read everything that has ever been said here. Give them some rope.

 

Some use so much rope they hang themselves :-)


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 01:37 PM

The poster in mention that is the newbie came on here and started the attack. He attacked my post and me and I refused to be baited in and said I agree to disagree and wished him a Merry Christmas but that is just me. I also could care less if he ever comes back as his only posts are attacks and there is no place on here for it. He then attacked another poster with the same type of attack as it is obvious that he doesn't care for this game and is not afraid to show it. Newbie or Oldbie it is just not acceptable behavior and can't and should not be tolerated. We are grown people here in a forum and debating each other and disagree all you want but don't attack and use foul comments in those attacks.

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 02:34 PM

I would rather buy the courses i like so i OWN them.

Paying Rent sucks!

Just offer user made courses the same as licensed courses, just cheaper of course.


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 04:49 PM

Greensboronclion, the correct saying is " I couldn't care less" otherwise your post doesn't make sense.



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Posted 12 December 2015 - 04:55 PM

From the dictionary blog:

 

When you want to colloquially express that you don’t care at all about something you might say “I couldn’t care less.” This phrase first popped up in British English at the turn of the 20th century and is still popular today. In the 1960s, a controversial American variant of this phase entered popular usage: “I could care less.” Many native English speakers, both in the UK and US, find this expression to be logically flawed. If you couldn’t care less, then you care so little about something that it would be impossible for you to care any less than you do. If you could care less, however, you are saying, literally, that it is possible for you to care less than you care now. Those who take issue with this believe this later variant says very little about your level of caring, and so eschew it.

Etymologists suggest that “I could care less” emerged as a sarcastic variant employing Yiddish humor. They point to the different intonations used in saying “I couldn’t care less” versus “I could care less.” The latter mirrors the intonation of the sarcastic Yiddish-English phrase “I should be so lucky!” where the verb is stressed.

The argument of logic falls apart when you consider the fact that both these phrases are idioms. In English, along with other languages, idioms are not required to follow logic, and to point out the lack of logic in one idiom and not all idioms is…illogical. Take the expression “head over heels,” which makes far less sense than the expression “heels over head” when you think about the physics of a somersault. It turns out “heels over head” entered English around 1400, over 250 years before “head over heels,” however, the “logical” version of this idiom has not been in popular usage since the late Victorian era.

The usage of “couldn’t care less” versus “could care less” is a very polarizing issue as you can see in British comedian David Mitchell’s rant, though both phrases are in popular usage. Because most modern English dictionaries define words and phrases using a descriptive approach, you’ll find both “couldn’t care less” and “could care less” in Dictionary.com. The lexicographers at Dictionary.com aim to record language as it is actually used, without judgment. That said, not everyone you encounter will be a lexicographer, so be aware that those in the camp of David Mitchell will cringe if you use “I could care less” in conversation.

 

Long story short..... both are correct.

 

It seems we truly are two cultures, separated by a common language. :D


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 05:04 PM

Happy weekend everyone!

It's ski season here and I'm off to buy a pass!

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 05:08 PM

Mimic PS Both are not correct, and we don't need you to look things up in dictionaries to explain to people the correct saying. Anyone using it the controversial way as you put it is wrong, and it only makes sense when it is used correctly.



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Posted 12 December 2015 - 05:12 PM

I don't know guys.. sometimes when I think I couldn't care less I find a way  I could care less.


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