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[Buck]

The courses people make with CF won't be distributed by us, they can be shared freely around the community however the designer wants, we won't dictate to them how their courses should be distributed although we will certainly try and help is asked.

 

 

Being a season pass holder will enable players to play these community created courses with PerfectGolf...

 

I guess I'm confused as to how it is a benefit to "freely share & distribute courses however you want", but nobody can actually do anything with them unless they are paying a monthly fee to PP?  

 

That doesn't really make anything about that action "free" other than sending out an unusable file.

 

(including the fact that you can't even use CF and make  & test the course without the Season Pass also, correct?)

 

Would it not be more equitable to say that you can't use them for anything beyond testing/solo/offline play without a pass?

 

Then at least the providing of the online infrastructure is understandably connected to the monthly fee.

[IanD]

Yeah, I had to think about it but I understand there are possabilities and limits attached.

 

There are Tournaments which can be Private Country Club affairs.... which means there could be Courses specifically made available for those Tournaments. It may be that they are simply 'tweaked' or Tournament versions of existing Courses. The Designer may belong to such a group and create something he only wishes to share amongst that group.

 

Yes, everything requires a Season Pass.... and we naturally attribute that to a cost. We shouldn't do that as it may not strictly apply to everyone. However, if the world was perfect and everyone paid the same, without quibble or affordability issues, what then could be achieved if courses were designed differently because of further additions to the game in other areas...?

 

Think a little further ahead and add on wherever you feel the game could explore...

[Buck]

Yes, everything requires a Season Pass.... 

 

Then the game should be free up front and simply be a full subscription for everything model.  (other than licensed courses)

[J_Schollmeyer]

Devs, could you please close this topic and all topics with the same issues.

There's nothing new only repetitions and accusations.

PerfectGolf is the product of PP and they should and will decide which way to go because they alone have to bear the consequences.

[Buck]

PerfectGolf is the product of PP and they should and will decide which way to go because they alone have to bear the consequences.

 

(obviously)

 

So why have a forum at all if we aren't allowed to discuss anything since it's PP's game and they will do whatever they want? 

 

 

[Sinewiz]

Hasn't this horse been beaten to death yet.  Everyone's opinions have been stated, let's just wait for the only one that matters now.

[RobV]

Or you could simply not click on it any longer and continue to read.

[Sinewiz]

Comments that have been repeated a dozen times don't make one's argument any more significant. They also have a tendency to fall on deaf ears.

[Buck]

lmao.

 

Guys, this is not a bulletin board where you post something and walk away.  

It's a forum - A place for discussion.

 

Unless I missed it, I haven't seen any pointless restating of things over and over that hasn't been directly in response to people commenting in return - Which is the entire point. (conversation - Back & forth)

 

I always laugh when this happens on forums all over - Invariably somebody shows up and "wants this to end!" - "moderators, shut this down!  I don't like it anymore!" (grumble, grumble, grumble)

 

...yet those people never seem to avail themselves of the option of "not clicking on this thread and not reading it".  lol

 

People keep saying "if you don't like the Season Pass, don't play the game"

By the same token:  "if you don't like this thread, don't click on it"

[windy]

After reading 17 pages of posts, I am a bit confused...if I have this right...

Even tho I bought the game and will soon have access to course forge to create my own "dream courses" I CANNOT play my OWN courses without buying a Season Pass?  I get it if other courses designed by other players are not available without a fee...but my own courses...OMG.

Thats like buying a tool kit, building something and not being able to use it without paying an additional fee!!

WTH (what the heck) was PP thinking when they came up with this plan...please tell me someone did not get paid for that idea...ROFL.

[Greensboronclion]

This will be my last comment on this thread that never ends.  PP is not like our Current USA Government which likes to give everything away for free and redistribute the wealth they are a group in a Capitalistic way trying to build a product to make money and for $20 we have all gotten our money's worth 100 times already so now comes the part we all knew was coming was the extra charges and they are deserving of it.  Good Day and good bye thread.

[Buck]

for $20 we have all gotten our money's worth 100 times already

 

You're on your own there.

I haven't gotten $2000 of value of the game, sorry.  

I like the game a lot, but that's a stretch (and I assume you were exaggerating... I hope)

 

 

...PP....and they are deserving of it.

 

It's business - Nobody "deserves" anything, they earn it.

[Greensboronclion]

I guess I will have another post and yes I was exaggerating Buck and if you have not got your $20 worth then you will never be happy and yes they have to earn it and if you don't think they have earned it with this great game then again you will never be happy.

[Griz891]

Then maybe they need to come on here and set the record straight. Lay it all out whether it's going to be a season pass and the options that go with it. Might be time to revive that dead horse and get it to start responding. 

[Buck]

I guess I will have another post and yes I was exaggerating Buck and if you have not got your $20 worth then you will never be happy and yes they have to earn it and if you don't think they have earned it with this great game then again you will never be happy.

 

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You said $2,000 of value - To which I said "no".  $20?  absolutely!

 

 

Correction - You clarified that you were exaggerating.  Sorry - Missed that first time through.

[Greensboronclion]

Buck for the record again I said I was exaggerating but also for the record if this game came out tomorrow and it was $200 I would pay that as I quite enjoy it and that is just my option.  The truth is some here are never ever going to want to pay to play this game and we had it at links and we will have it here.  One other note if you bought that EA Sports title called Rory this year if you want to get the new version next year its another $60 and guess what you wont be able to play this year version with last years version like EA does all the time and with this game you are paying to have a game that updates all the time so how is that not a good thing.  Nothing is free my friend and I go to work everyday and I charge even people I call friends for my services and that is what business is all about.

[Buck]

EA Sports title called Rory this year if you want to get the new version next year its another $60 and guess what you wont be able to play this year version with last years version like EA does all the time and with this game you are paying to have a game that updates all the time so how is that not a good thing.

 

You've just made the argument FOR annual updates that are one time and paid.  

 

A:  you're buying something, not renting it.  

B:  you get to see what the updates are and if they are worth paying for  (this is a big one for me)

C:  since your actually buying it, you can keep using it as long as you want with no further payments

D:  fresh annual releases also allow a developer to move to the latest rendering technologies and make more dramatic changes

 

I'm excited to at some point get some full details direct from PP.  The silence is a bit deafening as many many people have genuine questions & concerns that are lingering right now.

[Greensboronclion]

Thats great Buck but you cant have a community that way and if you are going to run tournaments and other events it wont work.  If you have TW14 and your buddy has TW13 you cant play each other when you have that type of setup so for PC purposes it wont work.  Now for you it might be good as you dont as far as I have seen play any online events and if your not playing in tournaments like that and just sitting in your living room and playing well then the truth is you might not want to pay a fee but most will want to compete and to play online with their friends and who wants to ask what version we are playing tonight when in reality its the same game as the year before with a new cover which EA Sports is famous for.

[Buck]

Thats great Buck but you cant have a community that way and if you are going to run tournaments and other events it wont work.  

 

Which is why I've advocated for a Paid game that's standalone (and doesn't artificially lock out 3rd party privately sourced courses - which is a created "tax") with Online over the top features that are a subscription - Nothing new there and here we go with me having to "restate something" (sorry folks) simply because people aren't reading previous posts.

 

I know it sounds sexy to have people on old hardware playing the old game being compatible with the new hardware and new game, etc....It just isn't as wonderful as it sounds.  You end up bringing the whole game down to the lowest common denominator or platform and everything suffers and sucks more than it should as a result.  Which to some extent we already have with PG, as it's getting surpassed graphically very soon (some would argue it's surpassed right out of the box)

 

By the way - There is nothing forcing a developer to make a new version of a game that's incompatible with older versions for online play purposes.  

 

They do it to drive the upgrade mostly...sort of how PP is artificially locking down 3rd party courses to drive everyone to the Season Pass.  ;-)

[Greensboronclion]

Again you have a choice to pay or not pay as nobody has a gun to your head forcing you too.